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weslynn
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Posted: 01.10.2004, 00:13
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Ekkar non enan eo elik tata jen Office eo an USAKA. Emoj kaben bwe aolep ri-jerbal in Marshall ren mokaj im rol ilo 1 awa elkin wot an dede lok am jerbal. Ekwe kio emoj an jino walok ke colonel eo ekaal ej kwalok an drike aolep ri-majol. Jolok bwod elane inaj lematak menin ak kajitok opinion jen jabrewot, jet lomnak ko emaron koman bwe ri-jerbal ro ilo Kwajalein ren maron fight kon jimwe ko aer im barenwot maron ko aer enwot ke, menin ej kalikar juon jokjok eo ij loe ke ekka an kio walok ilo news ko belakin lal im ej "DISCRIMINATION or RACISM" against ri-majol.
need feed backs..
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Posted: 12.10.2004, 01:42
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Posted: 14.10.2004, 09:33
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I have deleted 6 posts that deal with personal matters, not topic at hand. Please discuss issues.
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LaKevin
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Posted: 03.10.2004, 22:09
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OurSuccess very excellent post, I can't agree with you more.
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LaKevin
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Posted: 06.10.2004, 01:35
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Anyone who believes this is an issue of racism knows nothing about the military. this is how they work I have said this time and again in other post, the rules and regulations on a military base are unique and the issues on Kwajalein are minor compared to some of the things you will see elsewhere.
We have more important things to worry about back home and being able to drink a few beers after work or washing some clothes are not two of them.
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pettittm
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Posted: 01.10.2004, 12:33
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For those not living on Ebeye who want to understand what changes are being implemented, best source is probably the Hourglass edition of 24 September, available through the Web at http://www.smdc...09_24_04.pdf
From way this reads, the "visitation hours" are being reduced to less time after work but not before work - can still, way I read, arrive on Kwaj up to three hours prior to start of work shift. The way reads, it appears to be an attempt to accommodate those who want to use the laundromat on Kwaj while concurrently cutting back on the consumption of alcohol (cause, I am sure, none is being sold in the wee morning hours). There also appear to be some new restrictions on what foods can be taken through the checkpoint. I can only speculate but this may be in response to complaints of unfair competition from Ebeye business men and women. Another change, to restrict stays of Govt officials from Majuro on Kwaj to only those with business on Kwaj, is apparently in response to a hotel on Ebeye being forced out of business because most of its former customers started staying on Kwaj instead of on Ebeye.
All in all, the tight control of access to USAKA is no different that the tight control to access of US military installations all over the world. The only real solution to this is to (a) accept that as long as Kwaj is leased to the US, the US has the right to restrict access to Kwaj as it sees fit to meet mission and security requirements; and (b) develop Ebeye and Gugeegue with adequate and reasonably priced restaurants, laundromats, discos, parks, etc so that the attraction of being able to get onto Kwaj no longer seems like such a big deal.
If there was a laundromat with reliable running water on Ebeye, why would anyone want to trudge over to Kwaj with their dirty clothes? Why is there no laundromat on Ebeye that apparently meets the needs of the people?
It appears sports teams from Ebeye will continue to be able to travel to Kwaj for competitions, children from Ebeye enrolled in USAKA schools will continue to go to school on USAKA -- and of course, the jobs continue, the land payments continue, the impact payments continue, the taxes paid by Americans working on Kwaj to your Government continue. Those, and continuing dialogue as fostered by the standing Joint Committee and by your full-time liaison officer living on USAKA, should all be seen as what is really critical and important to maintain.
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pettittm
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Posted: 02.10.2004, 00:35
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Lakibwe,
First, I really kind of resent that you say I am laughing at Marshallese, your living conditions, and how you feel. Truly, I am not laughing at anyone.
I cannot explain why the rules for entry to Kwaj were changed beyond trying to relate and analyze what was published in the Hourglass, for those who have not seen, and to offer my perspective on the rules for entry onto Kwaj vs other critical and important contributions the missile range makes to the Marshallese economy.
Your points on showers and Marshallese workers being able to clean up before leaving are well stated. This problem is exactly the kind of thing that should be brought to the attention of the Commander, through your Liaison Officer, as an area that might be addressed to make the current situation more tolerable.
Weslynn,
I believe the statement made in the Hourglass that outside inspectors told Kwaj they had to tighten down on security is entirely plausible. The issue is not the risk Marshallese pose; the issue is the general tightening down of security at US military and other Government installations all over the world that has occurred everywhere since 9/11. I bet the US Embassy on Majuro has a lot more protection around it, and restrictions on entering by Marshallese and everyone else, as compared to before 9/11. This is the reality of the day.
As for the other problems you mention (noisy hotels, no beer, high prices, etc on Ebeye), I believe you need to look elsewhere than to USAKA for the solution to those problems. There are several nice hotels on Majuro that are owned by Marshallese, so certainly they can be also established on Ebeye. And if beer is running out, well, that may be a sign as to why the USAKA Commander and, reportedly, the Marshallese traditional leaders, are all trying to reduce alcohol consumption by Marshallese through limiting time in the "watering holes" on Kwaj.
No beer and high priced beer to me looks like a business opportunity. The basic tools and ingredients, except for the water of course, for a mini-brewery can be ordered over the Internet. Maybe your Govt could look at charging lower or no tax on locally brewed beer to make it an attractive business proposition. I bet a good locally brewed draft beer would be popular with Americans on Kwaj, too.
There has not been much lately in the Journal about the efforts to get Marshallese products into USAKA stores to generate income for Marshallese businesses. I wish there were more posts about that and as much discussion generated about ways to improve the economy on Ebeye and Majuro as there are about topics such as this.
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pettittm
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Posted: 04.10.2004, 18:34
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Lakibwe and others who feel as Lakibwe does -
From article in the 4 October Mariana's Variety On-Line, written by Giff Johnson, quoting USAKA official.
"Marshall Islands workers at the missile testing range average MORE THAN $6 an hour and support an average of 10 family members on Ebeye Island, he said."
From report on Jenrok Village, Majuro, written by Ben Chutaro and posted on Yokwe.net, from Executive Summary, Section 1.4, page 8:
"The number of persons per households could swell to 20 persons at any given time and especially during the summer months when inter island travel is high. The average number of persons working per household is 1.8 persons. The survey showed an average wage of $2.57 an hour."
The report also indicates many in Jenrok do their laundry in wash basins cause they do not have running water and have no money to pay for any other option. Oh, also per Mr Chutaro, Jenrok, not Ebeye, is the most congested and most densely populated area in the RMI.
Who is worse off, Marshallese on Ebeye or Marshallese in Jenrok? How do you think the folks in Jenrok will react to learning the residents of Ebeye are "up in arms" and are claiming in-human and unfair treatment cause they cannot stay on Kwaj more than one hour after work?
Couple more points -
- Ebeye receives $5M per year from the US for "impact funding," to be used to fund community infrastructure and other requirements. Of course, Jenrok receives no such funding and must compete with the rest of the RMI, including Ebeye, for whatever funds the RMI Government can allocate.
- The Marshallese workers on USAKA receive a lot of good benefits in addition to their salary, such as three weeks or more of paid vacation days per year, paid holidays, tuition assistance, and more. Do you think the average worker from Jenrok receives an equivalaent benefits package.
- The report by Ben Chutaro notes that many of the Jenrok workers are employed by the Majuro fish processing plant. The report was written BEFORE the plant layed off a reported 700 employees. It appears highly doubtful the plant will reopen and even if it does, it is unlikely all the former employees will be brought back on. So, today, I believe, the Jenrok community IS IN SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE CONDITION THAN WHEN THE SURVEYS UPON WHICH BEN'S REPORT IS BASED WERE COMPLETED.
So Lakibwe and others, which population do you think the Government of your country should consider most in need of help?
And Lakibwe, where would you rather live - Ebeye or Jenrok?
Kind of puts your problems with USAKA in perspective, does it not?
[Edited on 4/10/2004 by pettittm]
[Edited on 4/10/2004 by pettittm]
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Posted: 11.10.2004, 11:39
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Progress, Lakibwe or Oursuccess never mentioned water problem in Ebeye. They only eluded to the fact that this new rule is too inconsiderate to the end of the day needs when workers (particularly those who do hard labor and physical work, not the local workers who do the easy stuff in the luxury of an air conditioned office) or these laborers get off and are dirty from head to toe and smell from perspiration. With the inadequate shower facilities available to them at their shops (all dept's have one) they are afraid they might violate and then get censored for violation of what they consider a unfair and inadequate time allowed by this new rule of the commander.
Personally, I do not blame the kind of mind set or the kind of thinking and reaction the people would have about rules and the intention of the commander, just as the one that the commander has been passed recently. Why, because it mirrors similar regulations of the past that were put forth by tyrannical commander such as col. spin and col. banks to name a few. And if the rules complicate our daily lives we need to speak out against them. We have that right and Lakibwe and Oursuccess are doing that, to get the ball rolling...Eventually and hopefully, words will get to the commander and she will respond (I do not think she is a racist or a bigot like the past commander).
I do, however, find it hard to accept or comprehend the kind of mentality that some of us in here have expressed in terms of the lease of Kwajalein. I do not think that since USAKA is leasing Kwaj. it entitles the Army to do whatever it wants on it. There are limits, so those who think this way I suggest that you "take off" "the army can do whatever it wants as long as it is paying for it," mentality because that is totally false and misleading. If what you are saying is true, why did the U.S. ask for special permission from the local leaders and the president of the RMI when it wanted to bring onto Kwaj a group of Chiniese refugees who were drifting and floating ? This kind of thinking is dangerous and you all need to get educated more on that. Landloards can regulate what their tenant can and cannot do in their property. If the Army brings in Live Nuke warheads and toxic materials onto Kwaj (God knows how many times that was done without anyone's knowledge)., the landowners/landlords can stop that because they own the and have that right. They did not lose any of their rights, especially when they never signed the agreement for extension and the terms will expire not too long from now.
Coconutz stated, "it's just like renting an apartment. Now USA has been generous to Hire Rimajols, they don't have to but they do." It does that because it is in the agreement plus it is smart, better, and more cost effective than hiring workers from the mainland and transportating them to Kwajalein and pay them state side wages..Too costly, and too idotic than hiring locals, and pay them less for doing the kind of work that would have cost more if it was U.S. citizen that was doing it. Vis-visCheap labor, money saved, profits for contractors. Who would you rather have working at these low level jobs, a fillipino brought in from state side whose getting state side wages or a ri-majol making less? Did you understand the point within the point within the point? Such thing exist in multiple layers that many of us don't see...
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Posted: 12.10.2004, 05:29
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Aet Oursuccess," Exception to rules' or as E/E used to called it "Exception to Policy" means the Headaches to E/E, DSC & the PMO.
When Iraq I (War) took place, I remember pax arriving in on commercial flights getting deplaned at the hotspots area at the end the runway of the USAKA (Bucholtz, is it?)Int'l...Over reaction, I think, but still a security precaution. You never Know, there might be an exploding coconut that a resident from Majikin, brings onto the base on one of those AMI dornier flights. Like this current one, it is a security precaution (over reaction, aet) and all should take that into account. I also remember non-marshallese residents of Ebeye who were traveling via commercial were to and from Kwaj. getting escorted and treated like they were criminals. It was precautionary but witnessing a grown traveling with woman her two children breaking down and crying uncontrollably just break your heart. It wasn't because of how the precautionary measure or rule was set up, but how the KPD officers treated her and her family.
Thanks to Mr. Pettite for the Hourclass link:
It shows us that these are indeed security precautions and the same things that similarly went into effect before and during to Iraq War I. Immediately upon browsing through the Information provided by Mr. Coffey and Host Nation thru the Hourglass, I instantly detected something that might cause further misunderstaning regarding the access changes. In fine or smaller print in the "community notice section" it says: "Changes to Escorted Access Program, Will not apply to C-Badge and Domestic Badge Workers." Many will think, especially Marshallese Residents who access USAKA on other programs and other means of access will miscontrue this well intented Explanation by Maj. Coffey because its like Maj. Coffey is contradicting his clarafication statement of the comprehensive Access Program Procedure whereby he explains that the Escorted Access Program only applies to "Foreign Nationals." In his full statement, he addresses the local residents while in the other, he doesn't. I think Host Nations needs to make corrections to that in order to prevent further misunderstandings. What is printed in the Hourglass' Community Notice Message Section is identical (word for word) to the community message notices being displayed on TV in the AFTV rollers (community notice). When the people read and see that the Hourglass Community Notice is different from what the TV ROLLER or Community Notice is saying, they will become more perplexed. It's kinda like the ads that promise and guarantee you something but in fine print, it says something else.
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Lakibwe
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Posted: 01.10.2004, 23:25
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I personnaly respect and honor the courage that the new commander does excersice as a leader who is running the show. but than on the other hand I could not understand the fact that we marshallese Employees could not stay on kwajalein more than one hour after work. to me I say one hour after work is not a very reasonable hours. if you were to ask me why I say this. may be it's much better if I tell you people what we are working around each hour we stay on kwajalein. and why I say one hour is not a reasonable hour.
I don't know if you people ever consider that fact that when we leave our home on Ebeye and come to work on kwajalein, we were clean but after working 8 hours on kwajalein, around the chemical, Gas, Acid oil,Asbestos, and you name it, I believe you know that we need time to clean up before we go to our family, you can not expect us to come clean and go home unclean. Secondly all the Chemical and other stuff we will take with us home they are all hazard and dangerous to our kid.
now you wanna know why I say one hour is not a reasonable hour? well KRS has lot of Department with so many marshallese working for each Department. for example
kwajalein operation Public work Department have 200 marshallese worker and they have only 7 shower rooms, please tell me if I am wrong that these 200 people can not clean up with in one hours after work. Automative have 65 marshallese working for them and they have only five shower rooms, marine department also have 55 marshallese worker wioth two shower rooms. do you people think this is spoil.
many of us have been working on kwajalein for more than 20 some years and we have not broken any Rule and regulation, why are we being punish like other. I mean what is the use of Excersicing the disciplinary policy if we also fall under the same category of those who brake the Rule and Regulation of USAKA on kwajalein..
how can you people not understand what pressure we are in .... it is true that no matter what we do but we are always wrong because we are from Ebeye... well I thank you for standing on the otherside of the world and laugh at us.. and remember there always time for everything ... thank you all.
lakibwe
[Edited on 4/10/2004 by Lakibwe]
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Lakibwe
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Posted: 04.10.2004, 16:41
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Oursuccess !!!!!
guys why are you guys going against what ouruccess is saying... whatever right you will try to talk about will fall under the lease that you have sign.... right Oursuccess.
lakibwe...
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Lakibwe
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Posted: 04.10.2004, 17:02
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Pettittm.
I never say you are laughing at us, I was only talking to all these marshallese who are living on the otherside of the world and laughing at us here in the marshall island. what happen on kwajalein all marshallese are included, and we are all from part of the marshall islands but we happen to be on kwajalein make a living ...... so before any of you laugh at us you should remember you do have family live here on kwjalein... simple as that... I am ashamed of you all.. betry your own Country.... won't chnage who you are and what you are... untill than take a bite of this cake and you will understand. what I am trying to say here...
what a shame....
lakibwe..
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Lakibwe
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Posted: 04.10.2004, 18:25
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Oursuccess,
as you stated, you know the rule and regulation better than I do. man you are right, but can you tell me where in the world taking a candy bar is a crime .
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Lakibwe
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Posted: 07.10.2004, 22:08
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I don't understand, how come we are trying to tell the world what is happening on kwajalein so some one might be able to help us out but instead, all you guys ever do is placing us where we can not find help. by talking smart to us as if we are the one who is doing all the bad things.
as human being we ought to sspeak because we feel that we are not being treated good and fair. President kennedy once say that LET US NOT FEAR NEGOTIATE AND LET'S NEGOTIATE WITH NO FEAR. AND THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE PRESIDENT SAID UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL.... and you know what that's what I don't understand how come we marshallese never learn to stand together as one nation but instead we always go against eacch other ...... I believe Weslynn never ask any of you to come down on him unfriendly but that' what he is getting from you guys.... go against your own world won't change who you are and what you are... simple as that
untill than live like people from the bok im naa ..... because that's what we are....
lakibwe
[Edited on 8/10/2004 by Lakibwe]
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